I never thought I was going to make a living making art, it just seemed not possible at all. The plan was to always have some sort of job, so I worked for a photo lab originally, later on I worked for a suburban newspaper chain; after that I got a job at the Minneapolis Institute of Arts, and I sort of thought that was going to be my life forever, a job like that. And then, boom, magic happened, and I got to live the life. There’s a lot of luck involved. All during those different jobs I was working on different projects and having little shows.